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    Sumptners
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    The oldest surviving SP250, Prototype Chassis 100002 has been discovered and purchased by Jaguar Daimler Heritage Trust.
    We are very proud to have been chosen as the venue for this car to be unveiled to the public and press on our stand at the Birmingham NEC Classic Car Show Friday 8th November 2019.

    The full story and links to articles are on this website home page.

    #1403

    John-B
    Participant

    I note that the latest photos show the car with wire wheels, an earlier photo shows steel wheels with covers and the earliest photos show plain steel wheels.

    Will JHT change back to steels wheels and what colour were the original steel wheels?

    #1414

    John-B
    Participant

    Is there some confusion over the car photos? Brian Long’s book on page 43 shows XHP 438 with a larger grille, sharper V and no Daimler badge and his text says that it retains its slightly deeper grille to this day.

    However, the car shown on the grass with a bridge behind in his book and in November’s DM shows a car with a normal grille, badge and no registration plate. Brian Long’s text just says that it’s a hard top version of the SP250.

    The November DM then shows a car with reg. XHP 438 but with a normal grille and a badge.

    Are they the same car with a later modified grille? When did XHP 438 have it’s grille changed?

    #1416

    John-B
    Participant

    Further to my last post,
    Brian Long’s book page 43 shows XHP 438 with large grille and no badge.
    Page 44 September 1959 XHP pictured outside William Winter’s house with smaller grille and badge.
    Motorsport October 1959 The sensational Daimler V8 Dart SP 250 … which we announced in May will be at Earls Court. … At Earls Court XHP 438 was shown … so Earls Court must have been after September when the car had a smaller grille. Brian Long said on page 57 that XHP 438 has retired and retains the deeper grille to this day. Not so?

    Has the VIN body number plate been swapped?

    #1418

    TonyM@JDHT
    Participant

    Tony Merrygold from JDHT here – although some of the very early pictures show the car with steel wheels, there are more of them with wire wheels, and when we bought the car it had wire wheels on it. So we will keep it on wire wheels.
    Also in case anyone asks about white wall tyres – we will not be putting whitewall tyres on it.

    #1419

    TonyM@JDHT
    Participant

    Long reply which hopefully explains things.

    • XHP 438 was registered in March 1959 and the number plate put on our car 100002.
      However the same number plate also appears on a number of other cars in the book so it is clear that Daimler used to swap it from car to car.
    • One of the prototypes had the larger grille and although the book says the car retains this grille to this day no-one (as far as I am aware) knows where it is.
    • XHP 438 was used as the press car and went back to the factory for some re-furbishment before it went for sale as a 2nd hand vehicle. We do not know what work was done.
    • We have the buff log book for XHP 438 and a lot of history on the car including photographs from its first private owner Donald Harley – with the standard grille.
    • The black and white and colour photos by the bridge are a bit of artistic licence by the Trust. We have a number of photos in the archive taken at Compton Verney of cars parked by the bridge, house and lake – different colours, some with hardtop some without – all generally showing a number saying DAIMLER.
    • We cannot guarantee that any of these cars is XHP 438.
    • Compton Verney is only a few miles from Gaydon so we took XHP 438 there for a day to re-create all the photos in colour and use them to give a ‘1959 b/w’ v ‘2019 colour’ view of the car.
    #1420

    TonyM@JDHT
    Participant

    John, most of this answered in previous reply.

    1. As for the VIN – or Chassis number – this is stamped on the chassis where it should be.
    2. There is no body number tag on the car bulkhead where it normally lives, and no holes indicating it has been removed. Therefore we are assuming that being a prototype the body was not numbered.
    #1424

    John-B
    Participant

    Very interesting replies, but what a mix-up!
    “However the same number plate also appears on a number of other cars in the book so it is clear that Daimler used to swap it from car to car.
    •One of the prototypes had the larger grille and although the book says the car retains this grille to this day no-one (as far as I am aware) knows where it is.”

    So, although you have 100002 and XHP 438, I assume that the prototype with the larger grille was probably earlier?

    What a pity you haven’t got that one!

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